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Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Harry Richards
 

Is there a way to click on Slideshow when viewing images

Thanks,
Harry

I thought getting old would take longer
Harry Richards

On Feb 4, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Stereopix Net <contact@...> wrote:



When scrolling the 3D flips between real 3D and pseudoscopic.


It is because when you scroll the page, the image is not aligned to the screen the same way.

The interlacing process is slow (for a computer, even if it looks fast) and it would be impracticable to redraw in realtime with the current technology.
Furthermore, I am not sure it would be possible to know exactly if it is displayed on an odd or even line.

However, when you click on the image, it will position the top always at the same place in the browser, so the same setting should probably work the same way from one image to another.

I doubt there are any standards as to whether odd lines are R or L, so supporting specific monitors would be a lot of continuing work.  There is a workaround that might be possible.   Since it remembers the viewer’s choice of display, probably using cookies, a simple button to select the polarity would suffice.  Presumably it would be stored by cookies. The only fly in the ointment is whether the info as to odd or even is available to the display server.  If it is not available, then a display app on the viewer’s machine would have to be created to make viewing comfortable without continually scrolling to find the correct spot.


In advanced parameters, you have the possibility to switch the polarity of the lines.
You can also type X key to quickly swap the images, but it will not be saved.

JackDesBwa


Re: 3D history, what makes 3D success?

fullerton@...
 

I'm with you, akdens2. 3D that requires special hardware will always be niche. The masses will only accept 3D that can be viewed on their current devices without extra hardware. For this reason, while not truly 3D, the "Facebook 3D Photo" is our best bet at bringing 3D to the masses. Perhaps if this approach proves successful (and profitable), more money will be invested in finding better ways to capture and display true three dimensional data on our phones and TVs. 
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Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Stereopix Net
 

I can’t click “Like” on images,… all morning. Maybe it’s just my computer. Mac 10.11.6 with Firefox.

I will contact you to see what can happen.
They are regular links, nothing fancy, so I do not see what would be the cause.

JackDesBwa


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Stereopix Net
 

How can I switch display formats?

I am not sure to understand the question.
When you click on the image, an overlay appears, and you can choose between Left view, Right view, Columns Interleaved, Rows Interleaved, Parallel view, Cross view, Anaglyph Monochrome, Anaglyph Half-Colors and Anaglyph Dubois mode on it. If you are not satisfied, the advanced parameters link allow to tweak a little further (change interleaved polarity, use anamorphic side-by-side, etc.).

JackDesBwa


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

timo@guildwood.net
 

I can’t click “Like” on images,… all morning. Maybe it’s just my computer. Mac 10.11.6 with Firefox.

Timo

On Feb 4, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Stereopix Net <contact@...> wrote:

When scrolling the 3D flips between real 3D and pseudoscopic.


It is because when you scroll the page, the image is not aligned to the screen the same way.

The interlacing process is slow (for a computer, even if it looks fast) and it would be impracticable to redraw in realtime with the current technology.
Furthermore, I am not sure it would be possible to know exactly if it is displayed on an odd or even line.

However, when you click on the image, it will position the top always at the same place in the browser, so the same setting should probably work the same way from one image to another.

I doubt there are any standards as to whether odd lines are R or L, so supporting specific monitors would be a lot of continuing work.  There is a workaround that might be possible.   Since it remembers the viewer’s choice of display, probably using cookies, a simple button to select the polarity would suffice.  Presumably it would be stored by cookies. The only fly in the ointment is whether the info as to odd or even is available to the display server.  If it is not available, then a display app on the viewer’s machine would have to be created to make viewing comfortable without continually scrolling to find the correct spot.


In advanced parameters, you have the possibility to switch the polarity of the lines.
You can also type X key to quickly swap the images, but it will not be saved.

JackDesBwa


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Stereopix Net
 

When scrolling the 3D flips between real 3D and pseudoscopic.


It is because when you scroll the page, the image is not aligned to the screen the same way.

The interlacing process is slow (for a computer, even if it looks fast) and it would be impracticable to redraw in realtime with the current technology.
Furthermore, I am not sure it would be possible to know exactly if it is displayed on an odd or even line.

However, when you click on the image, it will position the top always at the same place in the browser, so the same setting should probably work the same way from one image to another.

I doubt there are any standards as to whether odd lines are R or L, so supporting specific monitors would be a lot of continuing work.  There is a workaround that might be possible.   Since it remembers the viewer’s choice of display, probably using cookies, a simple button to select the polarity would suffice.  Presumably it would be stored by cookies. The only fly in the ointment is whether the info as to odd or even is available to the display server.  If it is not available, then a display app on the viewer’s machine would have to be created to make viewing comfortable without continually scrolling to find the correct spot.


In advanced parameters, you have the possibility to switch the polarity of the lines.
You can also type X key to quickly swap the images, but it will not be saved.

JackDesBwa


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Jim Johnston
 

Jack,

How can I switch display formats?

Jim


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

John Clement
 

Stereopix has a problem with row interleaved 3D, and I assume also with column interleaved.  When scrolling the 3D flips between real 3D and pseudoscopic.  I doubt there are any standards as to whether odd lines are R or L, so supporting specific monitors would be a lot of continuing work.  There is a workaround that might be possible.   Since it remembers the viewer’s choice of display, probably using cookies, a simple button to select the polarity would suffice.  Presumably it would be stored by cookies.  The only fly in the ointment is whether the info as to odd or even is available to the display server.  If it is not available, then a display app on the viewer’s machine would have to be created to make viewing comfortable without continually scrolling to find the correct spot.

 

John M. Clement

 

From: main@Photo-3d.groups.io <main@Photo-3d.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stereopix Net
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:08 AM
To: main@Photo-3d.groups.io Group Moderators <main@photo-3d.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Photo-3d] How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

 

Hey, Jack, is there any way to make a YouTube URL, like this one in the description of my Stereopix photo, a hot, clickable link?

 

It is already in the todo list.

It will become automatically clickable when ready.

 

JackDesBwa


Re: #meta - can one send private messages in groups.io? #meta

Boris Starosta
 

I figured it out: you can reply to a post, click the button "private" in the lower right corner of your post, then click the button "reply to sender."   Anyway I just tried that and am hopeful!
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Re: 3D history, what makes 3D success?

Oktay
 

In my opinion 3d can be accepted by masses, only if it can be viewed without any kind of viewers; that is with bare eyes of a crowd.

Oktay


#meta - can one send private messages in groups.io? #meta

Boris Starosta
 

I'd like to send a PM to another member.  I can't figure out how this is done here, if possible?
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Re: Here's some iteresting Stereo "fodder"

timo@guildwood.net
 

This just looks to me like when you have different settings on twinned cameras. They look consistent enough to allow SPM to correct the different exposure, with a very effective result though.
Doing this deliberately will make people hate 3D even more than they already do. Hell, I wouldn’t pay to see a movie with this kind of flaw.

Timo

On Feb 3, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Stereopix Net <contact@...> wrote:

The samples in the video are stereoscopic, displayed in cross format.
Attached: a LRL of a sample extracted from the video.

I also prefer the standard version. The intensity difference is too high for my brain to consider to fuse it, and it looks a bit like (badly rendered) glossy material as mentioned in one of the comments; neither the still samples, nor the video samples provided are comfortable to watch for me.
JackDesBwa

Le lun. 3 févr. 2020 à 03:46, turbguy <wkarberg@...> a écrit :
...all I experience is retinal rivalry...AND it ain't even stereo.

https://hackaday.com/2020/02/01/tricking-the-brain-into-seeing-boosted-contrast-in-stereo-imagery/

Wayne


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Re: May, 1: A new era in 3D photography?: Sony multi-terminal era

timo@guildwood.net
 

I had thought about offering these things, but I think it is a difficult proposition.

I spent a month making the plug for the second camera, and destroyed 6 plugs in the effort. In addition, I found that it was better to make my delicate connections to the tiny contact points, which are less than a millimetre apart, while the cut plug is already installed in the camera. After cutting a plug, the contacts are a little too free to move in the remaining plug housing. When you plug the cut plug in the camera, the little wires pop up, and you have to push them back in. I used this issue to help separate the wires, by not pushing them all the way in, and putting a tiny bit of plastic between them to keep them insulated from each other. This ultimately made it easier to connect with the conductive glue, without shorting them, but it makes it a dodgy proposition to try to remove the plug after making the connections. It may also be a problem to put a plug back in. Continuing the connection also requires the use of copper tape, which is commonly used for making stained glass windows, or for deterring slugs and snails. This also means that to make this work, you need to apply it directly to the camera. I can’t conveniently swap out a broken camera because of these issues.

On the other hand, I would be happy to give advice and suggestions to anyone who wants to have a go at doing this themselves.

I took a few pictures of the process, but as often happens with me, I get too focused on the project and forget to document. I may make a page on my website describing my successful process.

Timo

On Feb 3, 2020, at 6:13 PM, doldi.doldi@... wrote:

DaveJes: Can you offer the short plugs mod as a service
Timo, I also would like to buy short plugs for the Sonys.
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Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

Stereopix Net
 

Hey, Jack, is there any way to make a YouTube URL, like this one in the description of my Stereopix photo, a hot, clickable link?

It is already in the todo list.
It will become automatically clickable when ready.

JackDesBwa


Re: How To Publish Photos On Stereopix.net

 

Hey, Jack, is there any way to make a YouTube URL, like this one in the description of my Stereopix photo, a hot, clickable link?
In my experience, if people have to copy and paste URLs, you lose most of your viewers:
https://stereopix.net/photo:bYKy3TddHg

TIA.


Re: May, 1: A new era in 3D photography?: Sony multi-terminal era

Rich Dubnow <rich@...>
 

Hi All,
I have two Sony a6400 cameras with the power zoom lenses as a set
I hired a machine shop to make a z bracket for mounting the cameras. The bracket is darn near perfect.  It is adjustable out to plus 5 inches separation.    The machinist will make additional brackets for the low cost of $250.00 usd per bracket.  The aluminum bracket is machined from a solid piece of stock  and the finished bracket is powder coat finished in black.   I’m on a trip for my business but when I return to Palm Springs, California I will take photos to add to this message.  As many of you Know I’m a perfectionist so I can recommend this bracket as a solid piece of work.  I’m not in the middle selling this but recommending the machine shop for anyone interested.

Last challenge is the wiring connection between cameras.  I had my local Portland, Oregon camera repair service make a twin wired remote with on-off, power zoom and video switching.  Unfortunately the remote and wire connections were too fragile and lasted only 2 months then stopped working.  

I’m very keen on getting this very high quality, light weight, portable unit going.  
Does anyone on the forum have some good ideas on wiring the cameras together.  I have the coiled wire cords with Sony jack on one and rca jack male/female on other end from amazon.  They are bulky and cause even more space than can be achieved.  
90 degree plugs would be perfect and a total of 12 inches spacing would be excellent to use with a flat bar for more space.

I’m open to any good ideas.  

Sent from Rich Dubnow

On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:13 PM, doldi.doldi via Groups.Io <doldi.doldi@...> wrote:


DaveJes: Can you offer the short plugs mod as a service
Timo, I also would like to buy short plugs for the Sonys.
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Toulouse, France
My 3D book (amazon.com)
Mon livre en 3D (amazon.fr)


Re: Rokit Phone limitations

John Rupkalvis
 

There is no such thing as 2DVR.  Virtual reality is the simulation of reality.  People have two eyes, but they do not have eyes in the back of their head.  It is not necessary to have a 360 degree FOV to be called VR, but it is necessary that VR must be stereoscopic.  360 degree 2D images are just surround video or surround photography, not VR.    

John A. Rupkalvis
stereoscope3d@...

Picture


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 8:35 AM John Clement <clement@...> wrote:

You hit the big IF, “Whether they want to”.  People just don’t want to fiddle to find the sweet spot when people are showing off their snaps.  The 24 multiview might work on a phone, but consider that it reduces 4K down to SD/6 or approximately 100 pixels across.  While the Multiview does help the sweet spot, there are still angles with transition jumps.  I found them to be interesting, but they are not sharp.  3 people would be annoyed by trying to find the sweet spots.  Any inconvenience just turns them off.  Convenience rules.

The 3D time is again fading.  The problem is that people adopt things according to the desires of those around them.  Logic and reasoning is usually not a big factor.  3D has been dissed by so many that it is very unlikely to increase from a niche product.  I very seldom see anyone looking through my easy to view Holmes viewer.  They much prefer to pick up a stereo card and just look at it.  They will pick up the viewer and look around the hood to see the card.  I have to talk them into using it.  Even people who refuse to carry their reading glasses won’t look into it to see the picture in focus.  The View-Master and Holmes cards filled a void that is now gone.   Movies, TV… give so much content that wasn’t available when these came out.  The VM showtime reels presented your favorite TV and movie shows, that you can now watch on the web.

Consider the aversion to vaccinations.  They save lives, with a very small fraction of adverse results.  The connection with autism has been thoroughly debunked by overwhelming data, yet people are persuaded by friends to delay vaccinating their children.  They see the false propaganda by antivaxxers, and their misconceptions are strengthened.  They simply dismiss the data and make up objections.  The pressure from friends and colleagues overwhelms absolute proof that autistics are born with the disposition to develop the symptoms around age 2.  So the drumbeat of 3D as being horrible and dead has destroyed the market.  It will continue to exist just like hula hoops, but as a niche market.  Avatar could not save it.  Hugo was a much better movie with fantastic 3D.  As a science educator and researcher, I see the same type of group think overwhelming logical thinking.  It takes very specialized techniques to convince people to believe and apply Newton’s third law.  Their thinking is overwhelmed by the comments of people around them.

To make 3D mainstream it has to fill a void and people have to be convinced that it is desirable.  When people come and squeal with delight that you have a 3D TV, then it will be mainstream.  You have to have both devices and loads of content that people want.  Looking at mainstream new 3D is basically invisible.  It might survive longer on gaming, but I think that may also be fading.  8k has a better chance because it does not require special equipment such as glasses, and it is compatible with existing content.  But will it survive?  It can sell once the existing 2K sets are gone and it is the only alternative.  3D doesn’t have that type of survivability.

John M. Clement

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The big barrier to 3D or VR is that people want to carry around pictures on their phones and whip them out to show to friends.  In other words they want digital snapshots.  3D and VR are not well adapted to that at the present.

I would say the RED Hydrogen One is pretty well adapted to that!  Three stereoscopic view zones for you and two friends, with three 3D views within each of them.  They can look over your shoulder and view photos and videos.  Whether or not your friends want to is a whole different story.  VR and AR, however, that's definitely the case.  XR technology can't be easily shared unless all people have their own headset.  But that will change when everyone has their own AR glasses.

2D VR might have some market where you can turn the phone around and view the area at different angles, but that is not very good for showing off children and pets, or the last party.  People would not carry around a 360 degree camera.  Maybe a 180 degree phone camera would be acceptable.  Everyone takes pictures with phones, but only a few use dedicated cameras.  Convenience rules!


Re: [3dvideo] Super Bowl Half Time Show 2020 3D Convert VR (Bloc

robert mcafee
 

Ah pity


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:59 PM, Philip Heggie
<philip_heggie@...> wrote:

Super Bowl Half Time Show 2020 3D Convert VR (Blocked in USA and mobile devices)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TasVL3IpDA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Caged

 

Click on or tap the Stereopix photo for viewing options:
https://stereopix.net/photo:bYKy3TddHg/

Please let me tell you about the cage I live in, i.e., the Oculus guardian:
https://youtu.be/TCc3KwpsCaQ
 
Hope this helps.
 
You can view this video in 2D or in #stereoscopic #3D.
 
Wear headphones or earbuds to appreciate the spatial audio effect.
 
Created with Blender, Unity, OBS and Vegas Pro.


Re: May, 1: A new era in 3D photography?: Sony multi-terminal era

Laurent DOLDI (Toulouse, France)
 

DaveJes: Can you offer the short plugs mod as a service
Timo, I also would like to buy short plugs for the Sonys.
--
Laurent DOLDI
Toulouse, France
My 3D book (amazon.com)
Mon livre en 3D (amazon.fr)